Shapley |
Harlow Shapley: Spiral nebulae are nearby members of our Galaxy.
Problem: Remember, Shapley thought the Milky Way was much bigger than it actually is. He had based his estimates of the Milky Way's size on his distances to globular clusters, and at the time it was not understood that dust was affecting those measurements. Since Shapley thought the Milky Way was really big, if Andromeda had to be that big too, given its measured angular size, it would have to bereally far away. In fact, Andromeda isn't that big, and isnt that far away, and so the luminosities of the novae don't need to be that large to be seen.
Problem: van Maanen's measurements were simply wrong. |
Curtis |
Heber Curtis: Spiral
nebulae
are distant galaxies.
Also, if they were nearby and moving that fast, the nebulae themselves should have large proper motions. We don't see that. |